Post by Roadhog on Oct 16, 2008 20:01:43 GMT 12
does sc have an obligation? Post a reply
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 7:14:08 PM
now I know the age limit for this site is 13 I believe (cant be bothered checking. Now with such a wide community and people reveling their identites pretty much (ie the picture thread).
Does sc have an obligation to protect those memebers who are say below the age of 18 from sexual predators online? say by giving warning to memebers who show innapropriate advamnces towards memeber who are clearly young?
robes
16/10/2008 7:15:51 PM
clearly young?
how would you know how old they are?
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 7:17:05 PM
lots of people post their A/S/L on thie forum and alos post their photos.
Maturity of posts is also sometimes an idication of age or vunerability
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:20:22 PM
People also post their phone numbers in SC.
SkYLiNeNZ
16/10/2008 7:22:56 PM
doubt it, i think people these days are pretty well educated on pedos and internet meetings. And fishman1 isnt a pedo or anything dude and im sure robes isnt stupid enough to meet up with a weirdo from the net and if she was getting advanced on she would know whats appropriate.
Ill kill any pedo that tries to prey on people here
freshjive14
16/10/2008 7:23:23 PM
seeing as u cant private msg n e one on here without leaving ur details i dnot see how u wld get away with it as everyone would see...
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:24:50 PM
Well Fishman1 likes to swap phone numbers with the 14yr old members of SC - he is 20. I think that's pretty inappropriate don't you?
He also believes rape is a natural process that shouldn't be illegal.
So, what is Fishman... not a pedo, yet, but pretty dodgy and not a safe person to give your phone number to.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:25:29 PM
freshjive14
16/10/2008 7:23:23 PM
seeing as u cant private msg n e one on here without leaving ur details i dnot see how u wld get away with it as everyone would see...
You post your details in your own thread, when the person you want to see has said they have your number, you delete the post. Happens all the time.
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 7:25:29 PM
skyline you jump to conclusions. All I did was pose a question I have not accused anyone of being a pedo.
Freshjive, lots of people exchange email accounts on here. its easy to set up a screening account.
freshjive14
16/10/2008 7:27:22 PM
ok then i retract
robes
16/10/2008 7:27:24 PM
well thanks for the concern.
i dont want to go into details, but ive dealt with pedos and ppl like that in real life before, not meet online at all..
so im not totally clueless
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:29:41 PM
Fair enough robes - but you deserve a heads up. Any young female in SC who has swapped numbers with a guy with disturbing beliefs deserves a heads up.
And as you have experiences with pedos and other people - in real life - I hope you will consider crach's warning and will be familar the warning signs.
maybelle
16/10/2008 7:34:57 PM
i think that its part SC but mostly the parents, especially
with the younger members
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:42:08 PM
I think that is SC is aware that one of their members is being inappropriate they should be warned as would any other member for other inappropriate behaviour.
With all the spotlight on staying safe online, I dont think SCs reward partners would enjoy being associated with a sexual predator. Much like NZdating and their advertisers after a few highly publicised cases of sexual predators preying on members. Not good for advertising.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:27:01 PM
no to be picky but 13 is not an age limit...
if the speed limit is 60 you must go no higher than that
is there another more appropriate word when describing the lower acceptable parameter that the age must fall within...
age limit would be like if smile city was a no old people zon with an age limit of 39...
it is a threshold or boundary where the minimum age permitted to join/ take part here is 13 but it doesn't sound correct to use the word limit for some reason...
if thirteen was the "age limit" no-one over 13 would be allowed here.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:29:19 PM
13 IS the age limit for SC dumbass.
As for the topic... I missed something obvious again
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:30:03 PM
age limit being anyone UNDER that age is not allowed to be member
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:30:07 PM
well that is another statement of someone saying they will engage in illegal behaviour and i doubt any one is concerned about it...
u can't kill someone just because they commited a horrible crime!
SkYLiNeNZ
16/10/2008 7:22:56 PM
Ill kill any pedo that tries to prey on people here
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:32:58 PM
I smell a sob story from Robes in the future.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:34:44 PM
Fishman banned me from his thread to robes so I can't tell her where to find his comments
robes
16/10/2008 8:36:42 PM
ive got enough sob stories already thanks ivana
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:39:13 PM
Well if you continue chatting to fishman you will have another.
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 8:42:14 PM
maybe not ivana I jsut think with the right information she will be fine. She can chat to who ever she likes but now he can make informed choice about what she tell him
KillMeLater
16/10/2008 8:42:30 PM
gees ivanahumpalot, you have a lot of despise for Fishman dont you?
What exactly did he do to get you all steamed up?
(Apart from the rape and 14 thing...... which i havent seen, and im SC's best lurker)
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:43:07 PM
You can't blame someone for saying they will kill anyone that preys on people beurselfiscool... I doubt I could refrain from hurting anyone that did anything disgusting and evil to someone I cared about.
It's a comment people say.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:45:01 PM
yeah and if the limit (maximum number) of drinks you can have and still be allowed to drive was three in three hours, then under your reasoning, it would be a minimum of 3 drinks and more would be acceptable
i think you may be very incorrect.
If you can't understand the simple meaning of the word limit, i can imagine a lot of situations where harm would result.
e.g. drink driving because you are confused or completely incorrect about what a limit is.
"Limit" is more appropriate when used for the utmost boundary, not a minimum threshold.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:30:03 PM
age limit being anyone UNDER that age is not allowed to be member
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:48:28 PM
KillMeLater
16/10/2008 8:42:30 PM
gees ivanahumpalot, you have a lot of despise for Fishman dont you?
What exactly did he do to get you all steamed up?
(Apart from the rape and 14 thing...... which i havent seen, and im SC's best lurker)
Not really. I just am concerned regarding his behaviour - alot of sexual offenders start out that way. And he targets young females who are usually new to SC and haven't seen him in action.
Ask any of the regulars about his comments. Many people questioned fishman thoroughly about what he meant about rape being natural... and his answers were all that rape was natural and shouldn;'t be illegal. Unfortunately the thread is gone.
I also find it semi-disturbing when other young men pat Fishman on the back, like it's all a joke. Imagine it was your 14yr old sister talking to a 20yr old guy online, texting a 20yr old guy who believes rape is a natural process and that he shouldnt be prosecuted for it. That is pretty sick.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:49:13 PM
Admittedly, I also enjoy the fact that Fishman can't defend himself (too many people saw his comments) and that he goes out of his way to get the comments moderated or deletes them himself out of guilt. It's like cat and mouse.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:50:16 PM
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 8:42:14 PM
maybe not ivana I jsut think with the right information she will be fine. She can chat to who ever she likes but now he can make informed choice about what she tell him
True, but it doesn't sound like she really believes anyone but Fishman. She even said in his thread that we were lying and had no proof. Sounds like a s ob story waiting to happen.
We should really start an SC sexual predators list. I can think of two members.
Waireka
16/10/2008 8:50:21 PM
I can support the comments about Fishmans comments. I saw them too.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:50:33 PM
the thread is about people showing (by mentioning it over the internet) they have the intent to do illegal things.
and i gave a quote that showed another member also saying they would do something illegal.
Neither behaviour is acceptable.
two wrongs don't make a right
the law will not accept the excuses you are making for the behaviour
It may be a "comment people say" but so are the offensive swear words you often throw at me. It doesn't mean it is ok just because it is a different offence.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:43:07 PM
You can't blame someone for saying they will kill anyone that preys on people beurselfiscool... I doubt I could refrain from hurting anyone that did anything disgusting and evil to someone I cared about.
It's a comment people say.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:51:40 PM
I hope you are not using nasty names to make derogatory comments to me because i don't need abusive comments.
Please learn some manners.
I feel i learn of some very disturbing attitudes here that might not be quite punishable by law but demonstrate that people are not fit for their parenting roles...
Just as some men go to prostitutes to live out their sick fantasies but still carry out the sick fantasies in their real life, i wonder if the rude people here also act abusively to people in their lives.
I would keep certain members here away from kids (such as those who throw insults because my arguments are stronger than theirs if they have anything worth saying at all)....
That is not an abusive or personal attack, that is a genuine concern that you demonstrate abusive tendencies towards others that would not nuture the growth of kids if it spills also into that arena of your life.
My own mother could have used a bit of a talking too as well. Whilst not a criminal she could have had more successful kids if only she had bothered to learn about more effective parenting styles:
parenting styles link
whilst i am not a pot-smoking green voter, i do think the rights of the child are important. Not to produce kids who have full control over their parents, but to produce kids who will make excellent citizens that look out for and care for others... as opposed to meek individuals who learn to only obey.
Please check out the wikipedia link it is well worth a look at before you next feel the urge to make rude comments at me - a poor, meek person.
Seriously, no parent is perfect and if you have very poor skills and are abusive, noones going to be in a position to look after you when you're older. The kids may even not like you when you get old.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:29:19 PM
13 IS the age limit for SC dumbass.
linmac
16/10/2008 8:56:31 PM
Waireka
16/10/2008 8:50:21 PM
I can support the comments about Fishmans comments. I saw them too.
Ditto.
neelish_returns
16/10/2008 8:58:56 PM
Does sc have an obligation to protect those memebers who are say below the age of 18 from sexual predators online?
No, that's the parent's responsibility.
I've obviously missed something here, so I'll shut up now!
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 7:14:08 PM
now I know the age limit for this site is 13 I believe (cant be bothered checking. Now with such a wide community and people reveling their identites pretty much (ie the picture thread).
Does sc have an obligation to protect those memebers who are say below the age of 18 from sexual predators online? say by giving warning to memebers who show innapropriate advamnces towards memeber who are clearly young?
robes
16/10/2008 7:15:51 PM
clearly young?
how would you know how old they are?
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 7:17:05 PM
lots of people post their A/S/L on thie forum and alos post their photos.
Maturity of posts is also sometimes an idication of age or vunerability
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:20:22 PM
People also post their phone numbers in SC.
SkYLiNeNZ
16/10/2008 7:22:56 PM
doubt it, i think people these days are pretty well educated on pedos and internet meetings. And fishman1 isnt a pedo or anything dude and im sure robes isnt stupid enough to meet up with a weirdo from the net and if she was getting advanced on she would know whats appropriate.
Ill kill any pedo that tries to prey on people here
freshjive14
16/10/2008 7:23:23 PM
seeing as u cant private msg n e one on here without leaving ur details i dnot see how u wld get away with it as everyone would see...
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:24:50 PM
Well Fishman1 likes to swap phone numbers with the 14yr old members of SC - he is 20. I think that's pretty inappropriate don't you?
He also believes rape is a natural process that shouldn't be illegal.
So, what is Fishman... not a pedo, yet, but pretty dodgy and not a safe person to give your phone number to.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:25:29 PM
freshjive14
16/10/2008 7:23:23 PM
seeing as u cant private msg n e one on here without leaving ur details i dnot see how u wld get away with it as everyone would see...
You post your details in your own thread, when the person you want to see has said they have your number, you delete the post. Happens all the time.
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 7:25:29 PM
skyline you jump to conclusions. All I did was pose a question I have not accused anyone of being a pedo.
Freshjive, lots of people exchange email accounts on here. its easy to set up a screening account.
freshjive14
16/10/2008 7:27:22 PM
ok then i retract
robes
16/10/2008 7:27:24 PM
well thanks for the concern.
i dont want to go into details, but ive dealt with pedos and ppl like that in real life before, not meet online at all..
so im not totally clueless
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:29:41 PM
Fair enough robes - but you deserve a heads up. Any young female in SC who has swapped numbers with a guy with disturbing beliefs deserves a heads up.
And as you have experiences with pedos and other people - in real life - I hope you will consider crach's warning and will be familar the warning signs.
maybelle
16/10/2008 7:34:57 PM
i think that its part SC but mostly the parents, especially
with the younger members
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 7:42:08 PM
I think that is SC is aware that one of their members is being inappropriate they should be warned as would any other member for other inappropriate behaviour.
With all the spotlight on staying safe online, I dont think SCs reward partners would enjoy being associated with a sexual predator. Much like NZdating and their advertisers after a few highly publicised cases of sexual predators preying on members. Not good for advertising.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:27:01 PM
no to be picky but 13 is not an age limit...
if the speed limit is 60 you must go no higher than that
is there another more appropriate word when describing the lower acceptable parameter that the age must fall within...
age limit would be like if smile city was a no old people zon with an age limit of 39...
it is a threshold or boundary where the minimum age permitted to join/ take part here is 13 but it doesn't sound correct to use the word limit for some reason...
if thirteen was the "age limit" no-one over 13 would be allowed here.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:29:19 PM
13 IS the age limit for SC dumbass.
As for the topic... I missed something obvious again
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:30:03 PM
age limit being anyone UNDER that age is not allowed to be member
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:30:07 PM
well that is another statement of someone saying they will engage in illegal behaviour and i doubt any one is concerned about it...
u can't kill someone just because they commited a horrible crime!
SkYLiNeNZ
16/10/2008 7:22:56 PM
Ill kill any pedo that tries to prey on people here
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:32:58 PM
I smell a sob story from Robes in the future.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:34:44 PM
Fishman banned me from his thread to robes so I can't tell her where to find his comments
robes
16/10/2008 8:36:42 PM
ive got enough sob stories already thanks ivana
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:39:13 PM
Well if you continue chatting to fishman you will have another.
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 8:42:14 PM
maybe not ivana I jsut think with the right information she will be fine. She can chat to who ever she likes but now he can make informed choice about what she tell him
KillMeLater
16/10/2008 8:42:30 PM
gees ivanahumpalot, you have a lot of despise for Fishman dont you?
What exactly did he do to get you all steamed up?
(Apart from the rape and 14 thing...... which i havent seen, and im SC's best lurker)
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:43:07 PM
You can't blame someone for saying they will kill anyone that preys on people beurselfiscool... I doubt I could refrain from hurting anyone that did anything disgusting and evil to someone I cared about.
It's a comment people say.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:45:01 PM
yeah and if the limit (maximum number) of drinks you can have and still be allowed to drive was three in three hours, then under your reasoning, it would be a minimum of 3 drinks and more would be acceptable
i think you may be very incorrect.
If you can't understand the simple meaning of the word limit, i can imagine a lot of situations where harm would result.
e.g. drink driving because you are confused or completely incorrect about what a limit is.
"Limit" is more appropriate when used for the utmost boundary, not a minimum threshold.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:30:03 PM
age limit being anyone UNDER that age is not allowed to be member
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:48:28 PM
KillMeLater
16/10/2008 8:42:30 PM
gees ivanahumpalot, you have a lot of despise for Fishman dont you?
What exactly did he do to get you all steamed up?
(Apart from the rape and 14 thing...... which i havent seen, and im SC's best lurker)
Not really. I just am concerned regarding his behaviour - alot of sexual offenders start out that way. And he targets young females who are usually new to SC and haven't seen him in action.
Ask any of the regulars about his comments. Many people questioned fishman thoroughly about what he meant about rape being natural... and his answers were all that rape was natural and shouldn;'t be illegal. Unfortunately the thread is gone.
I also find it semi-disturbing when other young men pat Fishman on the back, like it's all a joke. Imagine it was your 14yr old sister talking to a 20yr old guy online, texting a 20yr old guy who believes rape is a natural process and that he shouldnt be prosecuted for it. That is pretty sick.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:49:13 PM
Admittedly, I also enjoy the fact that Fishman can't defend himself (too many people saw his comments) and that he goes out of his way to get the comments moderated or deletes them himself out of guilt. It's like cat and mouse.
ivanahumpalot
16/10/2008 8:50:16 PM
Crach_test_dummie
16/10/2008 8:42:14 PM
maybe not ivana I jsut think with the right information she will be fine. She can chat to who ever she likes but now he can make informed choice about what she tell him
True, but it doesn't sound like she really believes anyone but Fishman. She even said in his thread that we were lying and had no proof. Sounds like a s ob story waiting to happen.
We should really start an SC sexual predators list. I can think of two members.
Waireka
16/10/2008 8:50:21 PM
I can support the comments about Fishmans comments. I saw them too.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:50:33 PM
the thread is about people showing (by mentioning it over the internet) they have the intent to do illegal things.
and i gave a quote that showed another member also saying they would do something illegal.
Neither behaviour is acceptable.
two wrongs don't make a right
the law will not accept the excuses you are making for the behaviour
It may be a "comment people say" but so are the offensive swear words you often throw at me. It doesn't mean it is ok just because it is a different offence.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:43:07 PM
You can't blame someone for saying they will kill anyone that preys on people beurselfiscool... I doubt I could refrain from hurting anyone that did anything disgusting and evil to someone I cared about.
It's a comment people say.
beurselfiscool
16/10/2008 8:51:40 PM
I hope you are not using nasty names to make derogatory comments to me because i don't need abusive comments.
Please learn some manners.
I feel i learn of some very disturbing attitudes here that might not be quite punishable by law but demonstrate that people are not fit for their parenting roles...
Just as some men go to prostitutes to live out their sick fantasies but still carry out the sick fantasies in their real life, i wonder if the rude people here also act abusively to people in their lives.
I would keep certain members here away from kids (such as those who throw insults because my arguments are stronger than theirs if they have anything worth saying at all)....
That is not an abusive or personal attack, that is a genuine concern that you demonstrate abusive tendencies towards others that would not nuture the growth of kids if it spills also into that arena of your life.
My own mother could have used a bit of a talking too as well. Whilst not a criminal she could have had more successful kids if only she had bothered to learn about more effective parenting styles:
parenting styles link
whilst i am not a pot-smoking green voter, i do think the rights of the child are important. Not to produce kids who have full control over their parents, but to produce kids who will make excellent citizens that look out for and care for others... as opposed to meek individuals who learn to only obey.
Please check out the wikipedia link it is well worth a look at before you next feel the urge to make rude comments at me - a poor, meek person.
Seriously, no parent is perfect and if you have very poor skills and are abusive, noones going to be in a position to look after you when you're older. The kids may even not like you when you get old.
Kimarhi
16/10/2008 8:29:19 PM
13 IS the age limit for SC dumbass.
linmac
16/10/2008 8:56:31 PM
Waireka
16/10/2008 8:50:21 PM
I can support the comments about Fishmans comments. I saw them too.
Ditto.
neelish_returns
16/10/2008 8:58:56 PM
Does sc have an obligation to protect those memebers who are say below the age of 18 from sexual predators online?
No, that's the parent's responsibility.
I've obviously missed something here, so I'll shut up now!
